Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Debunking Zeitgeist.

For those of you who don't have your pulse on the fingers of the crazies, you might not have heard of the steaming pile of crap that is Zeitgeist. A movie so horrific that even Wikipedia refuses to admit it exists. Oddly deciding that because everything it says was false it wasn't worth an article and was quickly expunged. Also, as JREF noted a lot of it was stolen from other sources. Basically it's the God Who Wasn't There, Loose Change, and crazy nutter stuff on the Fed Reserve.

The first part is actually interesting, probably because the God Who Wasn't There was actually interesting (though as noted before the added full interviews were far better). The second part was just inane and stupid... and the third part made me want to shoot myself.


For this reason I will address Part 1, which is almost exactly like addressing the God Who Wasn't There.The God Who Wasn't There Analysis is pretty good even for being written by an eeeevvvvilll Christian (his joke, not mine).

When I first read about such interesting links I looked them up... and you know what I found? Nada. For a really quick understanding of this, realize that the source for the original comparison are tenuous at best and rather extreme bullshit at worst.

First, points of interest: Joseph Campbell's The Hero With A Thousand Faces is fantastic for exactly the reasons these links are not. They have fantastic backing and fit extremely well with the story outlines. The idea that the Jesus story fits perfectly within this outline whereas books like the, Autobiography of Charles Darwin, doesn't is certainly worthy of note. This is one of the reasons I am a mythicist myself (though a fairly agnostic one, I just don't see a good reason to believe in a historical figure).

But, pushing it to such odd extremes without evidence? For shame. To put this in quick perspective, keep the gospel story in mind and check out Encyclopedia Mythica's article on Horus. Notice any similarities? Neither do I.




Zeitgeist is uninteresting, plagiarized, crappy and false. That said, I'm still astounded that Wikipedia doesn't have a page on it.

Update:
In the time since this was written Wikipedia does now have a page on it. And rightly so.

22 comments:

Amira said...

Whilst Zeitgeist Part 1 takes liberties with its Horus/Jesus claims there is however a considerable truth that the Jesus story very closely matches that of many other Life/Purgation/Rebirth Heroes from antiquity. Check JREF's Zeitgeist thread for more.

Nick Sandberg

Tatarize said...

There are considerable parallels between figures in antiquity, figures of modern day, and every hero story. The story of Jesus fits the mold exceedingly well. Joseph Campbell's The Hero With a Thousand Faces is absolutely right and even without any knowledge of the other stories the same pattern emerges.

I find this is good evidence that the Gospels are fiction. However, due to the overarching mold of hero stories in general you would need to present better evidence than simple parallels to draw any stronger case.

Anonymous said...

Damn did someone pay you to write such a scathing review of this movie? And you come up with such absurd links to back up your conclusion that Zeitgeist is a fraudulent piece of work: Stephanie Cass? Flaherty the PH.D? Why do you assume these people are credible? Maybe you should check out the source material like Griffin and D.M. Murdock for yourself. I agree the 9/11 section is hard to stomach, but despite how much you don't want to believe it, something stinks to high heaven and it ain't just the rotting corpse under the bed.

Anonymous said...

Must be wonderful to have such an all knowing closed down mind to not even see the mounting evidence and obvious behavior on the part our governments to so angrily dismiss this film.
25 and so certain. Must be nice.

Anonymous said...

So their evidence of God being fake is unrealistic and falsified... Is your evidence of God existing true?

Anonymous said...

i have tried to watch all these "the government is lying to us" videos and they get dismissed as garbage and debunked left and right. all of them. people have there right to an opinion and they all have partial truths and lies, thats what makes them so damn interesting i guess. my little piece to through into the mess is something that was done to me and at least 600 hundred other soldiers in iraq. they forgot to send us voting ballot for the last election, that was the reason, they forgot. maybe it was isolated, but i do know it was all over the news that the government would make sure all the deployed soldiers would get a chance to vote. shit even the iraqi people got to vote in there election. not that they really even knew how, but we set up places for them in every major city. the funny thing about all of it was that i still got my California govenator voting ballot, weird. well thats my piece. i know i felt cheated.
SPC Godric
US Army infantry

Anonymous said...

one more thing for all those believers that the government isnt over there to protect at least some kind of interest is lying to themselves. even the democrats running in the upcoming elections have said in debates that they want a withdrawal of troops in iraq but not a total withdrawal. no one you could vote for minus the green party will get all the troops back. not that i would vote for them. but thats fact. democrats would end the "war" but soldiers on some level will still be at those giant bases that are like small cities in Baghdad and a few other places in the country. and no one has said anything about pulling troops from Afghanistan. i don't think there is an end anywhere in sight. im not unpatriotic, i love my country and i love the infantry and all it stands for, i just dont want anything to happen to our great country to take away our rights and freedoms.
SPC Godric
US Army infantry

Anonymous said...

Frenchman here so excuse me for my english.

I believe in the First Part of zeitgeist about religions, i downloaded an astronomy soft to verify if Sirius and the 3 Kings (and their position) were true, and it was.

Debunked left and right ? Link, proof, evidence Gi joe please ?

We can find everywhere here in france , the true story of Horus, for example : he ressussited a man whose name was El-Azar-Us (same as lazare in christianity) which own 2 sisters Meri and Merti (like marie and marthe for us).
There are a lot of parallels like this one.

So if you don't find any link in english proving zeitgeist is wrong, it doesn't mean that in other languages you couldn't find.

I can imagine that in Usa, if you don't have theses informations, it's beacause of the control over medias, blogs and so on.

The story about the fed is true too.
Try to find a canadian documentary whose name is : Forgotten Archives N°2 : The money game (les archives oubliees n°2 : Le jeu de l'argent in french)
We are a lot of people in France, hoping that american people will wake up soon, and put gangters who lead your country in jail (and bilderberg, rockefeller... too).

Anonymous said...

hey godric,

you know id say 600 out of about 150,000 some troops in that country isn't too bad, but I would rather say your vote would not have been counted anyway. Our votes are only counted if the race is close, kinda like the 2000 election but not so much the 2004 election. Did they forget maybe., maybe not; Could 600 votes changed the outcome of the election? absolutly not. Oh and by the way you should look around you and figure out why there cant be a total withdrawal. One thing bothering me though: how can you be in the military for at the least 4 years while being deployed at least twice and only be a specialist?

Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist%2C_the_Movie

semp420 said...

I feel sorry for every single one of you. God does not exist, I have died and been brought back to life in a car accident, my heart stopped for exactly 4 minutes. I felt nothing, saw nothing,. THERE IS NOTHING this movie has a serious outlook on a serious truth. I am in University in Canada for Philosophy and History in my 3rd year. This film is looked upon as a DOCUMENTARY, it has truth, history and it will become one of the greatest films ever to be told. It is telling the complete truth, about god, government and how people really are stupid. It has been PROVEN that Jesus never existed. Constantine re-wrote the bible in order to have a better grip on his people. This is in HISTORY BOOKS across the world.l You people should maybe pick up a book and start reading. As an atheist, my life has improved, my happiness and my well being, and not to mention I am in a wheel chair for the rest of my life. Religion is a false happiness just like drugs

semp420 said...

I feel sorry for every single one of you. God does not exist, I have died and been brought back to life in a car accident, my heart stopped for exactly 4 minutes. I felt nothing, saw nothing,. THERE IS NOTHING this movie has a serious outlook on a serious truth. I am in University in Canada for Philosophy and History in my 3rd year. This film is looked upon as a DOCUMENTARY, it has truth, history and it will become one of the greatest films ever to be told. It is telling the complete truth, about god, government and how people really are stupid. It has been PROVEN that Jesus never existed. Constantine re-wrote the bible in order to have a better grip on his people. This is in HISTORY BOOKS across the world.l You people should maybe pick up a book and start reading. As an atheist, my life has improved, my happiness and my well being, and not to mention I am in a wheel chair for the rest of my life. Religion is a false happiness just like drugs

semp420 said...

I feel sorry for every single one of you. God does not exist, I have died and been brought back to life in a car accident, my heart stopped for exactly 4 minutes. I felt nothing, saw nothing,. THERE IS NOTHING this movie has a serious outlook on a serious truth. I am in University in Canada for Philosophy and History in my 3rd year. This film is looked upon as a DOCUMENTARY, it has truth, history and it will become one of the greatest films ever to be told. It is telling the complete truth, about god, government and how people really are stupid. It has been PROVEN that Jesus never existed. Constantine re-wrote the bible in order to have a better grip on his people. This is in HISTORY BOOKS across the world.l You people should maybe pick up a book and start reading. As an atheist, my life has improved, my happiness and my well being, and not to mention I am in a wheel chair for the rest of my life. Religion is a false happiness just like drugs

Mike said...

First off, I dont think the author is christian, and not all anti zeitgiest posters are either. secondly, I feel the Zeitgiest movie is like the tommy hilfiger RUMOUR ( and if you still believe that you actually "saw" this video, then fact has no meaning to you) Yes, Tommy Hilfiger may be an evil corporation, but dont hate on Tommy using false facts. Zietgiest disproves itself with facts being made up/ changed to suit.

One thing that always amuses me, on how the bible is "changed" for more control. The bible has nothing in it about control. Its about a relationship between God and the individual, not between the masses and a priest. If it has been changed, its been changed poorly. Like Zeitgiest, people warp facts and scriptures to mean what they want them to mean.

Anyhoo im babbling now. Just thought I'd add a couple cents to the pot.

mike (again) said...

also on the similarities, look into any information you can find on when there are recordings of other religions that parallel Jesus, and if they are written about in the past after Christ or not.... as well.... Jesus was prophesized in the old testament thousands of years before he was born... so lots of chances for copying there.

Im no scholar, but these are some things ive seen that are worth looking into.

Marc from the Dark said...

LMAO I did a search "debunking zeitgeist" mainly because I wanted to see what kind of drivel I could find. Thanx for not disappointing! Your "dubunking" turns out to be nothing more than random opinions and negative (might I add false or just plainly non-supported) comments. Using absolutely no supporting facts for my conclusion, I would guess out of thin air, merely using observation here, that the author of this blog is one of the three possibilities outlined henceforth: 1) he/she is quite insane, 2) he/she is almost unimaginably ignorant, or brainwashed, 3) a government shill...
semp420 I agree with you very much, good comment!
mike, did YOU actually WATCH the movie? Did you do ANY research into what the movie questions about Jesus' very existence? How about the Pagan beliefs that indeed predate Jesus and the Hebrew "prophecies"? Since there arent any copies of the Bible older than a few hundred years with one from the 9th century. Fact, the Bible was written, then re-written hundreds if not thousands of times since...each time new interpretations were imparted upon it. Yeah I'd call that a reliable source...

Sagredo said...

Hey, just putting in my two cents. There is in fact a Wikipedia article (also posted here by an anonymous poster in April). Here's the URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie

Interestingly, here is the URL that your post links us to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_zeitgiest_movie&action=edit

It doesn't take a genius to see what's wrong with this URL. First, you abreviate wiki to the letter w. Honestly, my HTML isn't up to code enough to say whether or not that could just be an honest mistake.

But you also flub the sequencing of the words: "The_zeitgiest_movie" instead of "Zeitgeist,_the_Movie".

Finally, your given URL spells "zeitgeist" as "zeitgiest".

I before E except after C, camara?

RioHeroes League said...

Alright people... here is my opinion, my perspective, take it only in that way... think for yourself... draw your own conclusions...

Enough with trying to debunk 911 - which is now a conspiracy. Conspiracies are events that have such diluted, contorted, conflicting facts that no agreeable judgment or ratification can be concluded because our system of proof relies on factual basis. Everyone is searching and comparing facts, running in circles of he said she said. Facts can't successfully prove truth, truth is actually felt. Can we prove Jesus or other religious icons are real? Can we prove there are souls or spirits? Can we actually prove gravity (we really can't, even though you think we can)? (For religious people, this might go against your beliefs and inner agreement system... but that's ok, theres a time...) - So with all of that said, the only point I will draw is if there is one item that is not correct in the whole 911 situation, then the entire event is extremely questionable. A building that never suffered an impact or severe structural impact nicely (and almost planned) compacts to the ground... how does that happen? Theres your one thread of disbelief... the rest is history.

As for proving religious topics... Have you met jesus? Have you talked to horus. Forget about religion. For those of us that can think outside the box, religion is already debunked and has been for a long time. Sorry fellow religious people, please do not take this as any sort of personal attack. Don't try to contest my opinion, as it is only a misuse of your energy and won't have the effect you desire. :-/

Zeitgeist's point was to show the profit driven world we live in. We are acting on a "separated" mentality and not acting as a species. We are a part of nature. We are an organism (not going into depth). We need to act as one and for the benefit of one. Yes, these philosophies are Utopian, and to those who haven't been "awakened" believe this concept is very unattainable. However, all I can say is it's a matter of time. Go on with your beliefs and inner agreement systems, but life will unfold, things will happen, events will occur, and life will as nature does, change.

I write this only with the intent that maybe one person questions them self. I hope to reach one person. As long as I've done that, this was complete success of my time.

For the record, I live in a mountain and donate my time and energy towards helping humanity in this pivotal time we are entering. Learn to survive, get back to the basics... One day you might need it. My love goes out to everyone. If you let any of my message effect you negatively, my love and sorrow reaches out to you.

Peace. :-)

Anonymous said...

"The second part was just inane and stupid... and the third part made me want to shoot myself.:

Why didn't you?

John said...

You can find the Wikipedia link right here.

Anonymous said...

I enjoy a lot of factual documentaries, however one thing I notice about Zeitgeist is the way in which it is packaged like a piece of propaganda. Its almost as if the creators attended the same media study classes as me! If I wanted to disarm people into beleiving something flase, I would use the same flashy methods as them.

lukasz said...

yeah that movie is a steaming pile. I made a website just to help debunk the movie. check it out Debunking Zeitgeist